Do you even have a USCF license? Have you ever raced on a velodrome? Did you ride bikes before track bikes? I wish your pretentious, hypocrite attitude would disappear.
Yes, yes and yes. He's wrong though, tricks are cool as fuck and very much a part of fixedgear riding. Also easily on par with any other type of cycling, the skill level to make a bike which only usually needs to go fast and turn left bang a turn down over a hip or spin 540 on the back wheel, bar spin then bunny hop out is on a skateboarding level!
The thing that infuriates me about all of this is the simple fact that he should be using his voice to encourage people. Not act like one of those fuck heads who is always like "man, I was into that before it was cool..."
go prolly. this needed to be said. i couldnt agree more man. i was so bummed when i read that interview. so pretentious and negative. as if their video and their style of riding is the only acceptable shit out or that will ever come out... as if they started it... as if they are authorities on cool... tell it man... well put.
i agree with you prolly. however. i think that the delicacy of a track bike is lost when you're adding bar spins and chainring grinds to the mix. don't get me wrong, i love all of it and i support everyone getting 'their fix on.' maybe you'll agree, that for people who have been riding a long time have a back ground of riding hard and fast but also have a cataloge of tricks. i find now, a lot of kids are just getting into it for the tricks. if that's what they're into, sure, that's cool. but maybe some people are losing the rush of riding fast?
Meh. I don't know. If you want to ride fast, go for it. No matter how fast you think you are, you'll still lose in an actual track event.
Besides, I never said I do track bike tricks. I clearly ride a fixed gear. A Surly isn't a proper track bike. Slack geometry, low bottom bracket aren't two denoting features of proper track bikes.
Why do you think no one races on the drome Prolly? I train 2-3 times a week there and race in the state series when ever i can, i also ride a trackbike for work as a courier and spend most spare evenings and sunday afternoons practicing tricks with the rest of the crew.
I think my flying 200 is around the low 11's but i race a good keirin and my pursuits, points and scratches are pretty solid. Half our guys found our way from the velodrome to the street and half of our guys got a fixed gear (Steamroller, pista etc) for the sole purpose of doing tricks having never been there.
I do win 'an actual track event' and there are more like me riding about. Either way we were all inspired by Mash and it sucks the dude would say that sorta stuff, back pedalling on the bootleg blog won't take it out of print.
I wish I could get out of work early on Wed nights to go out there and anytime there's an event on the weekend, I'm there.
I agree that MASH inspires people. Anytime I've been in an interview, I give them a lot of props and I've had numerous conversations with Mike about hopefully one day getting together.
I don't mean to pack pedal, they are my opinions and I stick to them. It is just an opinion. I love seeing people charging hills and traffic on a track bike and for me that is what I think is the most exciting. On the other hand, the tricks I see coming out of bootleg sessions are mind-blowing to me now since I figured a lot of what is happening at the moment impossible on a track bike.
I stand by what I said in the interview, and want to promote everyones ability to say what they want or like what they want. People should share their opinions, and have them be recognized as just their viewpoint on the situ. While unfortunately the pull quote isn't the best reflection of the whole interview, I still feel as a whole it is a pretty good piece and fairly positive.
I like that the discussion here has been uplifting so cheers to mobile one-two twelve, dre and prolly. I just wanted to sayw that what is shown is just a fragment of a larger article and larger voice that I don't think is as harsh or hypocritical as it is being called.
glad jonathan came clear and said what he said. i did not want to think your one of those assholes that contradicts themselves hard. i still dont understand why people cant just ride there bike and give each other props?
Do you even have a USCF license? Have you ever raced on a velodrome? Did you ride bikes before track bikes? I wish your pretentious, hypocrite attitude would disappear.
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Yes, yes and yes. He's wrong though, tricks are cool as fuck and very much a part of fixedgear riding. Also easily on par with any other type of cycling, the skill level to make a bike which only usually needs to go fast and turn left bang a turn down over a hip or spin 540 on the back wheel, bar spin then bunny hop out is on a skateboarding level!
ReplyDeleteCheers for the blog,
Jack
The thing that infuriates me about all of this is the simple fact that he should be using his voice to encourage people. Not act like one of those fuck heads who is always like "man, I was into that before it was cool..."
ReplyDeleteI hate that shit.
So I guess, these wouldn't count as tricks? Oh wait, you're right, that was like, a year ago. My bad...
ReplyDeletego prolly. this needed to be said. i couldnt agree more man. i was so bummed when i read that interview. so pretentious and negative. as if their video and their style of riding is the only acceptable shit out or that will ever come out... as if they started it... as if they are authorities on cool... tell it man... well put.
ReplyDeletei agree with you prolly. however. i think that the delicacy of a track bike is lost when you're adding bar spins and chainring grinds to the mix. don't get me wrong, i love all of it and i support everyone getting 'their fix on.' maybe you'll agree, that for people who have been riding a long time have a back ground of riding hard and fast but also have a cataloge of tricks. i find now, a lot of kids are just getting into it for the tricks. if that's what they're into, sure, that's cool. but maybe some people are losing the rush of riding fast?
ReplyDeleteMeh. I don't know. If you want to ride fast, go for it. No matter how fast you think you are, you'll still lose in an actual track event.
ReplyDeleteBesides, I never said I do track bike tricks. I clearly ride a fixed gear. A Surly isn't a proper track bike. Slack geometry, low bottom bracket aren't two denoting features of proper track bikes.
Why do you think no one races on the drome Prolly? I train 2-3 times a week there and race in the state series when ever i can, i also ride a trackbike for work as a courier and spend most spare evenings and sunday afternoons practicing tricks with the rest of the crew.
ReplyDeleteI think my flying 200 is around the low 11's but i race a good keirin and my pursuits, points and scratches are pretty solid. Half our guys found our way from the velodrome to the street and half of our guys got a fixed gear (Steamroller, pista etc) for the sole purpose of doing tricks having never been there.
I do win 'an actual track event' and there are more like me riding about. Either way we were all inspired by Mash and it sucks the dude would say that sorta stuff, back pedalling on the bootleg blog won't take it out of print.
[I never said no one races on the 'drome]
ReplyDeleteI wish I could get out of work early on Wed nights to go out there and anytime there's an event on the weekend, I'm there.
I agree that MASH inspires people. Anytime I've been in an interview, I give them a lot of props and I've had numerous conversations with Mike about hopefully one day getting together.
[nice blog too man!]
ReplyDeleteI don't mean to pack pedal, they are my opinions and I stick to them. It is just an opinion. I love seeing people charging hills and traffic on a track bike and for me that is what I think is the most exciting. On the other hand, the tricks I see coming out of bootleg sessions are mind-blowing to me now since I figured a lot of what is happening at the moment impossible on a track bike.
ReplyDeleteI stand by what I said in the interview, and want to promote everyones ability to say what they want or like what they want. People should share their opinions, and have them be recognized as just their viewpoint on the situ. While unfortunately the pull quote isn't the best reflection of the whole interview, I still feel as a whole it is a pretty good piece and fairly positive.
I like that the discussion here has been uplifting so cheers to mobile one-two twelve, dre and prolly. I just wanted to sayw that what is shown is just a fragment of a larger article and larger voice that I don't think is as harsh or hypocritical as it is being called.
you can now read the whole interview in english from here - http://www.sahtel.ee/?p=635#more-635
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, you shouldn't judge the whole interview on just one pull quote.
Risto
glad jonathan came clear and said what he said. i did not want to think your one of those assholes that contradicts themselves hard. i still dont understand why people cant just ride there bike and give each other props?
ReplyDeletepioneering is the new hate